Do YOU feel like like you're spending too much time editing your podcast episodes? If you're anything like the people on my email list and and people I met at Podcast Movement, you do.
So today, let's talk about 3 things you can do to save time in the edit (one of these shouldn't surprise you).
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- (00:00) - Intro
- (01:24) - Hire an Editor!
- (06:26) - Take Good Notes
- (10:45) - Use Descript
- (17:33) - Wrapping up
00:00:00 --> 00:00:03 I've been learning a lot about how people feel
00:00:03 --> 00:00:06 about their podcast process and where they feel
00:00:06 --> 00:00:08 they spend the most time. And through a winning
00:00:08 --> 00:00:11 combination of asking my email list and talking
00:00:11 --> 00:00:14 to people at Podcast Movement, I've learned that
00:00:14 --> 00:00:18 many, many podcasters feel they spend too much
00:00:18 --> 00:00:22 time editing their podcast. So for today's episode
00:00:22 --> 00:00:26 of Podcast Workflows, it's a little... mix of
00:00:26 --> 00:00:29 three things in podcasting, but also just a regular
00:00:29 --> 00:00:32 helpful episode. I'm going to talk about three
00:00:32 --> 00:00:36 ways that you can improve and speed up your editing
00:00:36 --> 00:00:38 process. One of those things won't be a surprise.
00:00:39 --> 00:00:46 The rest might. Let's get into it. Welcome to
00:00:46 --> 00:00:49 Podcast Workflows, the show for people who love
00:00:49 --> 00:00:53 their podcast, but spend too much time on it.
00:00:53 --> 00:00:55 This show will give you short tips to improve
00:00:55 --> 00:01:00 your process, grow your show and save you up
00:01:00 --> 00:01:04 to 12 hours per week. You'll get deep dives on
00:01:04 --> 00:01:07 how the best podcasters produce their show and
00:01:07 --> 00:01:14 you'll learn a ton. So let's get into it. All
00:01:14 --> 00:01:17 right. Hey everybody. Welcome to another episode
00:01:17 --> 00:01:21 of podcast workflows. So three things to improve
00:01:21 --> 00:01:25 your podcast process. The first one will not
00:01:25 --> 00:01:30 surprise you at all. It is hire an editor. Editing
00:01:30 --> 00:01:35 is the easiest thing to save time on, which is
00:01:35 --> 00:01:38 good news, but the bad news is that you'll have
00:01:38 --> 00:01:42 to make a financial investment. I think every
00:01:42 --> 00:01:48 podcaster, almost I'll say 99 .9 % of them, should
00:01:48 --> 00:01:53 hire an editor. There is, for most podcasters,
00:01:53 --> 00:01:58 little to no benefit to editing your own show
00:01:58 --> 00:02:02 long -term. I think maybe edit it in the beginning.
00:02:02 --> 00:02:04 You have the skill. You'll know how to speak
00:02:04 --> 00:02:10 the language and you'll know what you want from
00:02:10 --> 00:02:14 your editor, right? You'll be able to communicate
00:02:14 --> 00:02:19 with them more easily. But hiring an editor will
00:02:19 --> 00:02:24 free up so much time. I read a stat that it's
00:02:24 --> 00:02:27 like for every finished minute, it takes four
00:02:27 --> 00:02:32 minutes of post -production work. So if you do
00:02:32 --> 00:02:36 a 30 minute podcast, you're looking at two hours
00:02:36 --> 00:02:39 of post -production work. Imagine what you could
00:02:39 --> 00:02:43 do with those two hours. You could record three
00:02:43 --> 00:02:51 other 30 minute episodes, right? So I think the
00:02:51 --> 00:02:55 best thing for most people to do is hire an editor.
00:02:55 --> 00:03:02 This is a hill I will die on, but I also recognize
00:03:02 --> 00:03:07 that I cannot force people to spend money if
00:03:07 --> 00:03:10 they don't want to. And I should also say this.
00:03:10 --> 00:03:12 There's one more thing that I should mention
00:03:12 --> 00:03:16 here. I recognize that there are people who want
00:03:16 --> 00:03:20 to have a podcast and maybe they can't afford
00:03:20 --> 00:03:26 to hire an editor. So I want to make this clear.
00:03:27 --> 00:03:31 If you're a student, if you're a hobbyist, if
00:03:31 --> 00:03:34 you're just messing around with friends, you
00:03:34 --> 00:03:37 know, you and your friend have, you want to have
00:03:37 --> 00:03:40 a phone call every week and catch up and whatever,
00:03:40 --> 00:03:44 that's fine. I'm not talking to you. I mean,
00:03:44 --> 00:03:46 especially if you're like a hobbyist or you're
00:03:46 --> 00:03:48 just killing time, like just recognize that if
00:03:48 --> 00:03:50 you're not doing it for the downloads, you're
00:03:50 --> 00:03:54 doing it just for fun. That's great. I will say
00:03:54 --> 00:03:59 that hobbies cost money. I don't know a single
00:03:59 --> 00:04:01 hobby that somebody has. It's like, no, I don't
00:04:01 --> 00:04:04 spend any money on my hobby. Right. I love Lego.
00:04:05 --> 00:04:09 I love cigars. I play the drums. If you're into
00:04:09 --> 00:04:16 collecting. stamps or knives or pens, you're
00:04:16 --> 00:04:19 going to have to spend money on a hobby. So if
00:04:19 --> 00:04:22 you're a hobbyist, I would, I would also maybe
00:04:22 --> 00:04:26 just consider where you can invest some money
00:04:26 --> 00:04:30 into your hobby. But again, most people that
00:04:30 --> 00:04:34 I am talking to here, the people I'm talking
00:04:34 --> 00:04:37 to, the ones you're listening, if you found this
00:04:37 --> 00:04:41 on YouTube and you're like, I don't My no podcast
00:04:41 --> 00:04:44 should make money Nor should you have to spend
00:04:44 --> 00:04:46 any money on a podcast. This is not for you.
00:04:46 --> 00:04:49 You can just leave Tell YouTube you don't want
00:04:49 --> 00:04:52 to see content like this anymore I am talking
00:04:52 --> 00:04:58 to people who are who are investing Their time
00:04:58 --> 00:05:01 and money into a podcast because they see it
00:05:01 --> 00:05:06 as a way to support their business build their
00:05:06 --> 00:05:09 authority or otherwise make money for their show,
00:05:10 --> 00:05:12 right? Otherwise make money for themselves, I
00:05:12 --> 00:05:16 should say. So that's who I'm talking to. Maybe
00:05:16 --> 00:05:17 I should have said that at the top of the show.
00:05:18 --> 00:05:22 If you're just messing around or you want to
00:05:22 --> 00:05:25 learn editing, right? Like, you know, I'm qualifying
00:05:25 --> 00:05:27 a lot of what I'm saying because like, if you're
00:05:27 --> 00:05:28 trying to learn editing, then yeah, record your
00:05:28 --> 00:05:32 own podcast and edit it, right? But if you're
00:05:32 --> 00:05:36 a solopreneur or a small business owner, And
00:05:36 --> 00:05:41 you are you have a podcast because you have a
00:05:41 --> 00:05:45 message you want to put out there. You want content
00:05:45 --> 00:05:46 you want to put out there. You want to establish
00:05:46 --> 00:05:49 your authority and develop a deeper relationship
00:05:49 --> 00:05:53 with your potential customers. Then you shouldn't
00:05:53 --> 00:05:55 be editing your podcast. There are a million
00:05:55 --> 00:05:58 other things that you should be doing for your
00:05:58 --> 00:06:01 podcast and for your business. And so hiring
00:06:01 --> 00:06:05 an editor. is one of the best things that you
00:06:05 --> 00:06:10 can do. Okay, with all of that out of the way,
00:06:11 --> 00:06:14 what do you do if you want to save time and you
00:06:14 --> 00:06:16 want to keep editing your show? Now the nice
00:06:16 --> 00:06:18 thing about the next two things I'm about to
00:06:18 --> 00:06:21 talk about here is you can do it whether you
00:06:21 --> 00:06:23 hire an editor or not. Like these are just things
00:06:23 --> 00:06:27 that will save you time. So number two is take
00:06:27 --> 00:06:33 good notes. This is true. Whether you have a
00:06:33 --> 00:06:40 solo episode or a an interview, right? If you
00:06:40 --> 00:06:43 are, uh, if you're recording a solo episode and
00:06:43 --> 00:06:45 you mess up and you want to keep rolling, clap
00:06:45 --> 00:06:49 your hands, write down the timestamp so that
00:06:49 --> 00:06:53 you don't have to go looking for that point,
00:06:53 --> 00:06:56 right? Maybe you went on a tangent, right? Maybe,
00:06:56 --> 00:06:59 maybe after I finished recording this I'll feel
00:06:59 --> 00:07:03 I went on too much of a tangent about who this
00:07:03 --> 00:07:08 episode is not for. And so I will, you know,
00:07:08 --> 00:07:11 I can write down the time for that. This is largely
00:07:11 --> 00:07:12 scripted, so I don't feel like I've gone on a
00:07:12 --> 00:07:16 tangent. But, you know, during the recording,
00:07:18 --> 00:07:21 take good notes for, oh, I talked about this
00:07:21 --> 00:07:23 at this time stamp. This takes some practice,
00:07:24 --> 00:07:25 right? This is something I've been doing for
00:07:25 --> 00:07:29 a long time. So I'm, I'm comfortable doing that.
00:07:29 --> 00:07:32 Right. And, and there are apps that will like
00:07:32 --> 00:07:33 sure up silence. So if you just want to like,
00:07:34 --> 00:07:36 especially if it's a solo show, just take some
00:07:36 --> 00:07:39 time to write it down. Uh, there's an app called
00:07:39 --> 00:07:42 recut that will trim silences. I think Descript,
00:07:42 --> 00:07:44 which I'll talk about in a minute, you know,
00:07:44 --> 00:07:47 gets rid of long silences if you want. Uh, there
00:07:47 --> 00:07:51 are countless AI. This is like a good use of
00:07:51 --> 00:07:55 AI. Right. Oh, there's five seconds of silence.
00:07:55 --> 00:07:58 Let's get rid of that. Right. So take good notes.
00:07:58 --> 00:08:01 If you are interviewing someone, what I will
00:08:01 --> 00:08:03 do is I have our shared Google Doc. I share,
00:08:03 --> 00:08:06 I send a Google Doc to my guest before we record
00:08:06 --> 00:08:09 with the general structure of the conversation
00:08:09 --> 00:08:12 so that they can be prepared. This is something
00:08:12 --> 00:08:14 else that makes editing easy. The more you prepare
00:08:14 --> 00:08:17 on the front end, the less editing you'll have
00:08:17 --> 00:08:21 to do on the back end. But I have a Google document
00:08:21 --> 00:08:26 and I'll be taking notes, right? If I go on a
00:08:26 --> 00:08:29 tangent, I will write like, you know, edit Joe
00:08:29 --> 00:08:34 tangent 1345, right? If my guest goes off topic,
00:08:35 --> 00:08:42 edit 14, I almost said 72, 1427 of guest tangent,
00:08:42 --> 00:08:45 right? Or guest talks about dog too much or whatever,
00:08:45 --> 00:08:50 right? So keeping those notes means that you'll
00:08:50 --> 00:08:52 be able to find that stuff more quickly. Having
00:08:52 --> 00:08:55 a few of the words. that they said it'll make
00:08:55 --> 00:08:58 it easier to find or that you said it'll be easier
00:08:58 --> 00:09:01 to find, especially if you're using Descript
00:09:01 --> 00:09:06 or Riverside or whatever. And so you won't have
00:09:06 --> 00:09:10 to listen back to the entire episode. And if
00:09:10 --> 00:09:13 you have an editor, then you don't have to re
00:09:13 --> 00:09:17 -listen to the episode to send edit notes, right?
00:09:17 --> 00:09:21 You can just say, hey, around 1427, my guest
00:09:21 --> 00:09:24 goes on a tangent about their dog. Can you cut
00:09:24 --> 00:09:30 that out? Right? Or with Riverside, I can actually
00:09:30 --> 00:09:34 find the entire quote and give it to my editor
00:09:34 --> 00:09:37 if I want to do that. So I think that's number
00:09:37 --> 00:09:41 two. Take good notes when you're recording. Yes,
00:09:41 --> 00:09:45 this is going to take some practice. Yes, if
00:09:45 --> 00:09:47 you're recording a solo episode, you can have
00:09:47 --> 00:09:49 those little extra pauses because there are tools
00:09:49 --> 00:09:53 that will just remove those pauses. But if you
00:09:53 --> 00:09:57 want to be an active listener with a guest, then
00:09:57 --> 00:10:00 it does take some practice. Also, now that I'm
00:10:00 --> 00:10:04 doing more video for my show, I do need to be
00:10:04 --> 00:10:06 cognizant that like I shouldn't be doing this
00:10:06 --> 00:10:09 the entire time when the guest is talking because
00:10:09 --> 00:10:11 I, we just do have a side by side right now.
00:10:11 --> 00:10:14 We're not switching views. So we have a side
00:10:14 --> 00:10:18 by side. So if I'm not looking at the camera,
00:10:18 --> 00:10:22 it may be misconstrued as me not paying attention.
00:10:22 --> 00:10:25 when in actuality I'm writing stuff my guest
00:10:25 --> 00:10:28 is saying down. So that's like, I can touch type,
00:10:29 --> 00:10:34 but I want to, you know, I need to practice that
00:10:34 --> 00:10:35 a little bit more. So that's something to keep
00:10:35 --> 00:10:39 in mind. But by and large, taking good notes
00:10:39 --> 00:10:42 while you record will make the editing process
00:10:42 --> 00:10:48 easier. And finally, I say use descript. If you're
00:10:48 --> 00:10:52 going to edit now, Again, another caveat here
00:10:52 --> 00:10:57 is I, unless they've improved something, I find
00:10:57 --> 00:11:02 editing multiple tracks in Descript to be cumbersome.
00:11:02 --> 00:11:05 I don't think they do a good job with it. When
00:11:05 --> 00:11:10 I was recording in Squadcast for a while, I didn't
00:11:10 --> 00:11:14 like the experience, but I will give about 40
00:11:14 --> 00:11:17 % of that to me being unfamiliar with how to
00:11:17 --> 00:11:20 do it. Also, this was a long time ago, because
00:11:20 --> 00:11:24 again, I don't really edit my own stuff. Even
00:11:24 --> 00:11:28 videos like this, I will, you know, I'm going
00:11:28 --> 00:11:31 to edit this episode myself to go against everything
00:11:31 --> 00:11:34 I just said earlier, but this is largely me talking
00:11:34 --> 00:11:36 and I've planned the content and I have a good
00:11:36 --> 00:11:38 setup. So I'm going to throw the audio in Logic
00:11:38 --> 00:11:42 Pro, run it through this cleanup I already have
00:11:42 --> 00:11:46 and then put it back into my video editor, which
00:11:46 --> 00:11:49 is ScreenFlow. And that's it like the the the
00:11:49 --> 00:11:54 editing process it wouldn't be you know I want
00:11:54 --> 00:11:56 to release this episode close to when I'm recording
00:11:56 --> 00:12:01 it and so the short amount of time it takes for
00:12:01 --> 00:12:06 me to edit is is worth it to have the episode
00:12:06 --> 00:12:09 ready today versus three days from now right
00:12:09 --> 00:12:16 but anyway so Descript if you are going to edit
00:12:16 --> 00:12:21 yourself or if you something I'll do sometimes
00:12:21 --> 00:12:24 is I'll get the final episode back. It'll be
00:12:24 --> 00:12:27 longer in length than I wanted it to be. Right.
00:12:27 --> 00:12:29 And I maybe I didn't realize it when I sent it
00:12:29 --> 00:12:32 off for edit, maybe adding the extra like the
00:12:32 --> 00:12:36 ads and the intro and the outro make it longer
00:12:36 --> 00:12:38 than I expected. I really want my episodes to
00:12:38 --> 00:12:46 be 35 minutes and I I get close to that. If it's
00:12:46 --> 00:12:48 over 40 though, I want to find some stuff to
00:12:48 --> 00:12:52 trim. And so because I've taken really good notes,
00:12:53 --> 00:12:55 I will just load the file that my editor sent
00:12:55 --> 00:12:59 me into Descript and I will look for, oh, we
00:12:59 --> 00:13:01 had a conversation about fountain pens here that
00:13:01 --> 00:13:04 didn't apply to what we were talking about. And
00:13:04 --> 00:13:10 I'll just delete that and export it again. So
00:13:10 --> 00:13:13 there, you know, if you are, if you, if you do
00:13:13 --> 00:13:15 hire an editor, but you want to put some finishing
00:13:15 --> 00:13:19 touches on an episode, Descript is a really good
00:13:19 --> 00:13:22 way to do that, especially because you do have
00:13:22 --> 00:13:24 that final file. So you don't have to like line
00:13:24 --> 00:13:27 up additional tracks. But if you're going to
00:13:27 --> 00:13:31 edit yourself, then Descript is really good for
00:13:31 --> 00:13:33 a lot of reasons, right? It can easily remove
00:13:33 --> 00:13:37 long silences. It can remove filler words, which
00:13:38 --> 00:13:43 I don't think I am more likely to remove repeat
00:13:43 --> 00:13:47 words than filler words. I think an um here and
00:13:47 --> 00:13:52 there is fine. I think if there's like four ums
00:13:52 --> 00:13:55 in a row, then you want to fix that, right? But
00:13:55 --> 00:13:59 people say um in real life and if it's not scripted,
00:14:01 --> 00:14:03 there's a difference between something feeling
00:14:03 --> 00:14:08 scripted and something being too casual and An
00:14:08 --> 00:14:13 um here or there is fine. I think it's a judgment
00:14:13 --> 00:14:15 call. If it's too many ums to be distracting,
00:14:15 --> 00:14:19 then you want to edit some of those out, but
00:14:19 --> 00:14:23 more or less you want to make a good point or
00:14:23 --> 00:14:26 you want it to sound natural. I guess that's
00:14:26 --> 00:14:29 my point. You want it to sound natural, like
00:14:29 --> 00:14:33 they're not reading or, or it sounds robotic
00:14:33 --> 00:14:37 or something. But Descript is really good for
00:14:37 --> 00:14:42 that stuff. and then making basic edits. So I
00:14:42 --> 00:14:45 will end with a little bit of a story because
00:14:45 --> 00:14:48 I am familiar with editing and I have a process
00:14:48 --> 00:14:52 on my computer for editing, but I also have really
00:14:52 --> 00:14:54 good equipment and so I thought that was doing
00:14:54 --> 00:14:59 most of the work for me. Something I didn't realize
00:14:59 --> 00:15:03 that my editor was doing was cleaning up, doing
00:15:03 --> 00:15:06 mouth de -clicking, which is like, I'm not going
00:15:06 --> 00:15:08 to do it because it's gross. But it's like mouth
00:15:08 --> 00:15:12 sounds right hard swallows or like lip smacking.
00:15:12 --> 00:15:17 I can't I can't stand those sounds I'm told I
00:15:17 --> 00:15:22 I'm I'm pretty sensitive to audio so I don't
00:15:22 --> 00:15:26 know and that's sensitive like it makes me sad
00:15:26 --> 00:15:33 just I hear things more And then breaths, right?
00:15:33 --> 00:15:35 Like I take, you know, I'm taking a lot of breaths.
00:15:36 --> 00:15:39 Breathing has replaced the ums and ahs for me.
00:15:40 --> 00:15:43 I'll take a pause and I'll breathe. And again,
00:15:43 --> 00:15:45 some, it's like sometimes like people breathe,
00:15:45 --> 00:15:48 right? So you don't need to edit out every breath,
00:15:48 --> 00:15:52 but also when you're talking to someone in real
00:15:52 --> 00:15:55 life, people aren't breathing in your ear, right?
00:15:56 --> 00:15:59 So I like to edit some of those breaths out.
00:16:00 --> 00:16:03 I also like to boost the audio a little bit.
00:16:03 --> 00:16:09 And so anyway, I thought my Rodecaster Pro 2
00:16:09 --> 00:16:12 and my Shure SM7B were enough to just get all
00:16:12 --> 00:16:16 of the annoying sounds out. And then I listened
00:16:16 --> 00:16:20 to an episode I released, just recorded, edited
00:16:20 --> 00:16:24 for content and released next to an episode that
00:16:24 --> 00:16:29 my editor really edited and released. And it
00:16:29 --> 00:16:34 sounds so different. So, you know, I think I
00:16:34 --> 00:16:37 know, but I have no idea. This is the real list.
00:16:37 --> 00:16:41 Just kidding. That's an MTV reference for elder
00:16:41 --> 00:16:45 millennials. Or I guess for non -elder millennials
00:16:45 --> 00:16:49 who didn't get that reference. But so now I have
00:16:49 --> 00:16:52 a process in Logic Pro. But again, like my editor
00:16:52 --> 00:16:56 does a better job. Right. If you really listen,
00:16:56 --> 00:17:00 you could probably tell. which ones I edited
00:17:00 --> 00:17:03 versus every other episode, right? And again,
00:17:03 --> 00:17:06 it's usually just solo episodes that I'm recording
00:17:06 --> 00:17:08 on like a Friday before the episode's supposed
00:17:08 --> 00:17:10 to come out, something I'm thinking about or
00:17:10 --> 00:17:14 whatever. Or these episodes, because I'm releasing
00:17:14 --> 00:17:17 them on YouTube and I have all of the scenes
00:17:17 --> 00:17:22 set up in Ecamm Live, it really is just about
00:17:22 --> 00:17:24 removing, like doing mouth de -clicking and breath
00:17:24 --> 00:17:28 control. And so like, I took some time. I set
00:17:28 --> 00:17:31 that up in Logic Pro and we're good to go. So.
00:17:32 --> 00:17:38 To recap here. Right, hire an editor to at least
00:17:38 --> 00:17:42 do most of it, right? I'm a hypocrite if I if
00:17:42 --> 00:17:47 I say I never edit this one, this one I'm going
00:17:47 --> 00:17:52 to edit. But I'm also not combining and syncing
00:17:52 --> 00:17:56 tracks. I don't have to fix someone else's crappy
00:17:56 --> 00:17:59 audio. I don't even really need to edit for content
00:17:59 --> 00:18:03 because I have a script and an outline up and
00:18:03 --> 00:18:05 I knew exactly what I was going to talk about.
00:18:07 --> 00:18:12 But by and large, like. My editor gets. We'll
00:18:12 --> 00:18:17 say 95 % of the episodes that I record across
00:18:17 --> 00:18:21 all of my podcasts. for for my local podcast
00:18:21 --> 00:18:24 start local he gets all of them because there
00:18:24 --> 00:18:28 are just varying levels of audio and different
00:18:28 --> 00:18:33 equipment and he is Way better than me and it
00:18:33 --> 00:18:38 will take way less time for him Right, but when
00:18:38 --> 00:18:41 I am recording and I control everything I feel
00:18:41 --> 00:18:44 comfortable throwing it into a logic profile
00:18:44 --> 00:18:49 that I already prepared So that doesn't add much
00:18:49 --> 00:18:55 extra time. So hire an editor. Whether or not
00:18:55 --> 00:18:59 you hire an editor, you should take good notes,
00:18:59 --> 00:19:04 especially if you do interviews, right? If you're
00:19:04 --> 00:19:07 doing solo episodes, take good notes before you
00:19:07 --> 00:19:11 record and it'll keep you on track. But if you
00:19:11 --> 00:19:15 have an interview, take good notes during the
00:19:15 --> 00:19:18 interview. Mark things that you think might need
00:19:18 --> 00:19:22 to be edited when there's over talking. If the
00:19:22 --> 00:19:24 guest says something you think would be a good
00:19:24 --> 00:19:29 cold open stuff like that. And then finally use
00:19:29 --> 00:19:31 Descript. This is, this is not sponsored by Descript.
00:19:31 --> 00:19:33 I'll have like an affiliate link in the description.
00:19:33 --> 00:19:39 Probably. I use Riverside to record because I,
00:19:39 --> 00:19:42 I think that Riverside is better than Squadcast,
00:19:43 --> 00:19:48 which Descript owns. But as far as editing, especially
00:19:48 --> 00:19:52 basic edits or content based edits, Descript
00:19:52 --> 00:19:56 is is where it's at. It's it's really good. I
00:19:56 --> 00:20:00 think like Riverside has a built in edit by transcript
00:20:00 --> 00:20:03 feature as well, but I don't think it's as good
00:20:03 --> 00:20:07 as Descript's. And that's why I'm using both.
00:20:08 --> 00:20:12 So use Descript if you're going to edit yourself.
00:20:13 --> 00:20:16 Okay. That's it for this episode of podcast workflows.
00:20:17 --> 00:20:19 I hope you enjoyed it. Let me know if you have
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